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Post by Bones on 3rd May 2010, 5:43 pm

I've recently seen a billboard about the possibility of 16 year olds in this country being made to do National Service. thinking

Personally, I'm wondering what the good of that would be & I'm not sure that it would be a great idea. I've said many times in the past that some of today’s "Gang Youths" should be made to do military service as they clearly want someone to shoot at or like being shot at or maybe both Dunno But is it a good idea to make all 16 year olds do this? Would it be actual service or more just training? Could they be sent into wars with the possibility of dying? If that is the case how can you force a 16 year old to put their life on the line for their country but tell them that they're not old enough to have a drink until 18 or even 21 if rumours I've heard come to fruition. More importantly, how can it be insisted that teenagers can make their own decisions if they're not going to get the chance to decide whether or not they join the army? If this is to happen, can we really be called a free country?

What do you all think about this?

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Post by sabbi on 4th May 2010, 12:50 pm

yellowteddybear wrote:I think if it were just training and not actual out there fighting then it would be a good thing but I agree that to put their lifes at risk without the choice is out of order

the training would simply instill some discipline and responsibility into them

they should have visits / days with "real" soldiers and see the effects fighting and wars actually have and it would keep them off the streets - also if its a national thing and ALL have to do it maybe it will kerb some of the extremism being taught and be one in the eye for fundamentalists of all kinds - they should be taught some history on wars and on this country whilst their at it - proper history not the flowery mixed up shite they get at school - this country has lost its patriotism and its respect maybe this would help bring some of that back


I agree with the comments above. It is time to make youngsters realize that you cannot just swan through life and say and do as you please with no consequences for those hurt in the process. Also, if they have more pride in themselves, this in turn can only be good for the country as a whole. Yes, i've said for years that National sevice should be re-introduced. On of my own brothers went into the Navy, he liked it so much, he enjoyed a career in it.
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Post by Bones on 4th May 2010, 12:54 pm

But should they be forced into it? Looking at your brother, he made the choice to join the Navy which would've played a part in his enjoyment of it. Could it not be that some would hate the idea of it & being forced to do it would just make life more difficult for them as no one wants to do that which they do not want to.

Could it not end up with them harbouring resentment rather being instilled with Pride & a sense of "Duty"?

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Post by Bones on 4th May 2010, 2:02 pm

The good Theory outweighs the bad.

IMO I don't see any of that happening. If it's the same hours as school then they would still be bored in the evening but now they would know how to put together an automatic rifle as well as how to making explosives. They would also know how the police operate thanks to the intergrated days so would have a higher chance of getting away with it.

Many an adult has never served a day in the army. Many of those same adults have made massive contributions to society. Why would a stint in the forces make it any different? Many people I've met from the forces are now bitter people........

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Post by Bones on 4th May 2010, 3:04 pm

But we're talking about 16 year olds here. How do you discipline a 16 year old? And how do you condone disciplining them when their parents by law cannot do the same?

If by age 16 you don't know about where babies come from & the dangers of unprotected sex then Military service is not what you need.
Kids are misguided, but I don't see how NS is going to fix anything once they are at that age. By forcing them to do NS is that not an infringement on their human rights? If a child runs away from home, by law, you cannot force that child to go back to their parent’s home. That is a right of a child of any age. How does it make sense that you can force them into national service if you can't force them to go home?

By 16, most people have tried sex, drugs & crime & they sure as hell know the consequences of them by that age.

I'm sure there are many teenagers out there who would like to join one of the forces, just as you did. But there are also many others who have no interest in it. Should we not show them respect by giving them the choice as to whether they want to join the forces or go to college, university or even specialist fields of study? The best way to teach respect is to show respect is it not?

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Post by Bones on 4th May 2010, 3:39 pm

Now there's an Idea I could live with. 3 choices.
1) Further Education of some description (Including Apprenticeships)
2) Work
3) Join the forces
Unless they do one of the three they are made ineligible to claim benefits thinking I like it!

I like & hate the Human rights thing. I like it because it means that there's a minimum standard, but I hate it because all the wrong people seem to benefit from it. If someone has committed a serious crime, murder, rape etc, then they should have their "human rights" revoked. Jail, no contact with the outside world, 3 meals a day & they either eat what's put in front of them or starve.

Personally, I wouldn't make the choice to join any of the wars being fought at the moment & I would be none to happy if anyone was forced to fight in them. Not one of them are being fought for a reason which I agree with.

I learned loads about England in school. Battle of Hastings (1066), Roman Invasion, Life before the Romans, Life under roman rule (The whole Britannia thing is their fault), Life after the Romans, Invasion of the Germanic tribes (Including the Saxons & Angles), The 100 years war Between France and England, the whole thing with the Spanish Armada, Great Fire of London, The Black Plague, British takeover of the EITC, Full history of the English Monarchy, Rise & Fall of the British Empire, not to mention Guy Fawkes, Shaky Bill (William Shakespeare), Dickens, Robin Hood....... I could go on for a while. What school did you go to?? scratch Either way, we live in a global society now. Half the stuff I know about England is useless in everyday life. What I’ve taught myself about the history of other cultures & ancient societies allows me to try to understand where non English people come from, what their beliefs, Traditions & Customs are. That has helped a whole lot with the amount of travelling I’ve done…….

As for integration, let’s get rid of all faith schools. They're useless & only serve to divide us all even more than we are already.

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Post by Bones on 4th May 2010, 3:49 pm

Now that I can get on Board with LP

Hey, we gotta run for government! Lily

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Post by Bones on 4th May 2010, 3:56 pm

Discussion, Compromise & Common Sense thinking Yep, three things our government are currently sorely lacking in rofl

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Post by sabbi on 18th May 2010, 12:23 am

NR_TOAB wrote:But should they be forced into it? Looking at your brother, he made the choice to join the Navy which would've played a part in his enjoyment of it. Could it not be that some would hate the idea of it & being forced to do it would just make life more difficult for them as no one wants to do that which they do not want to.

Could it not end up with them harbouring resentment rather being instilled with Pride & a sense of "Duty"?

No, not really, he was'nt looking forward to NS at all as i remember, but obviously he found the Navy was a life he could settle into, so he did, for a further 9 years. Another brother older in age, i seem to remember he was so looking forward to his stint in NS and he went to the Army, he too loved the experience but left when his time was up (2years i think they had to serve) He went to civvy street using the trade the Army taught him.

I don't think these young people should go to war, they should be 18 years of age and only go, if they request such a posting.
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Post by munchkin on 2nd September 2010, 4:37 pm

lots of country's still do it,i reckon if ur a tearaway hoodie lil bstard you should be made to do it.
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Post by Frog on 5th September 2010, 11:40 am

But how would you decide who the little shits are? I would happily stroll through a town centre and point out the ones that need it but how would a civilised society come up with a fair method?

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Post by munchkin on 5th September 2010, 12:02 pm

dunno.....just make it compulsory if you get convicted of anti social crime...then its the army for you son......that might be a bigger deterrent than asbo's and young offenders institutes.
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Post by Jobless Oddball on 18th September 2010, 4:39 pm

Great idea

Turning feral youths into killing machines!
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Post by munchkin on 22nd September 2010, 12:17 pm

yep sounds good to me.
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Post by El_Guapo on 25th September 2010, 7:35 pm

Being from Canary Islands I was actually called up for three years military service but luckily managed to wriggle out of it. One my brothers however wasn't so lucky and he went. When he came back he said he absolutely loved the experience.

I'm not sure military service is a good idea necessarily as a solution to gang youths etc. I think to solve that problem you need to tackle the causes of it rather than the symtoms. In other words, why do kids form gangs in inner city urban areas? Three years in boot camp isn't taking any of the reasons for these gangs away.

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Post by El_Guapo on 25th September 2010, 7:37 pm

As a footnote.....maybe what we should really be asking for is not compulsory military service but more of those Boot Camps like we see in America?

For petty young offenders send them somewhere cold in Wales or something to be treated like shit by an ex army officer for 3 months. That'll sort em out...lol
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Post by EarthsAngel on 11th October 2010, 3:36 pm

munchkin wrote:dunno.....just make it compulsory if you get convicted of anti social crime...then its the army for you son......that might be a bigger deterrent than asbo's and young offenders institutes.


I agree with that! If they convicted of anti social crime, then they should be forced into National Service. Not to be trained in weapons etc. But some good discipline would sort them out. I don't think 16 yr old should be forced into NS though, unless they plan to leave school and thinking of making a career as a benefit cheat. If a school leaver doesn't want to go into further education or a trade, then maybe its a good way to go. It would force kids to learn a trade or get some much needed discipline.
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Post by munchkin on 19th October 2010, 4:59 am

truth is punishment isnt punishment anymore,im not talking about abusing the little gits like beating them and stuff like in the old days but these little shits need a serious dollop of discipline,boot style camps might work,these days they get sent to detention centres where compared to days of old they are not disciplined at all.
there has always been a criminal underclass but its getting bigger as time goes by,scum usually breed scum im afraid.
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Post by chelseaz on 19th October 2010, 11:56 am

all young men need discipline....i have no problem in putting on a hot uniform and giving them some.....any takers ????? Jizz
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Post by Frog on 19th October 2010, 12:45 pm

Shocked Hello Chelseaz LP

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Post by Bones on 19th October 2010, 2:31 pm

Shocked Shocked Never been a Chelsea fan, But I'm sure gonna be a Chelseaz fan! cheers

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Post by El_Guapo on 19th October 2010, 2:37 pm

NR_TOAB wrote: Shocked Shocked Never been a Chelsea fan, But I'm sure gonna be a Chelseaz fan! cheers

It's ok. Us Chelski's don't hold it against you. We need people like you to fill up the other half of the stadium... Wink
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Post by chelseaz on 19th October 2010, 3:10 pm

HELLO BOYS X X X ....lol el liked that one...as we know chelsea fans are born chelsea you cant jump ship now it's sailing...as for chelseaz fans...HELLO BOYZ X
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Post by Frog on 19th October 2010, 3:14 pm

I do solemnly swear my allegiance to Chelseaz

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Post by Bones on 19th October 2010, 3:20 pm

Ditto!! cheers

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